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Midweek Podcast - Bible Translations
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Ever wondered why we use the Bible translations we do? What influences those decisions? In this episode, we explore the key factors and filters that shape our choices.
On Saturday you called me because you said I have something that's gonna not make it into the message. Can we talk about it on a podcast?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. And just a super short podcast. This will be a much shorter podcast than our normal podcast is. I don't think it needs to be long at all.
SPEAKER_00Yep. And you said you wanted to talk about what translations we use and why.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Of the Bible.
SPEAKER_01Well, just sometimes I'll be writing a message and I will like opt to use a different translation. Okay, so for example, we normally use the New Living Translation. That's like our standard here at His Hands. Um it's not because we think it's the best translation over other words or anything like that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. We have a lot of different ones. NLT, EIV, and ESV all on there.
SPEAKER_01Well, you've you've bought like ESV, I know is one you use. Trevor Burrus, Jr. And I don't even I it's good to say that. I don't tell you use NLT when you teach the students. You're free to use it. Yeah, but I tend to use that NLT and NATO. Yeah, anyway. Um so I I had one verse where I switched over to the NASB because I felt like it the translation more accurately described what the original language was. And I was gonna go on like a little like rabbit trail about different translations and what they do and and how it's not one is right, the other is wrong. And because some people have like, well, how could this a how do we trust these translations when there's all these different translations?
SPEAKER_00The idea of a translation brings up some like, is that a questionable or shaky faith sort of situation? Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01And so I was gonna go on that and I was like, uh, that's not worth it. Yeah. It's just gonna take too long and it's too much of a departure from what we're talking about. So I was like, we'll just do a podcast about it. So the Bible. The Bible. God wrote the Bible. Yes, he did. It was kind of. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah. No, it's um well, specifically translations. I mean, we're not having a conversation now about the origin, the divine inspiration. We should do a good question.
SPEAKER_00We should go quick. Humans wrote the Bible in their modern language at the time. Yes. Which is now an ancient language that requires translation.
SPEAKER_01So like even God inspired humans. Like they we do believe that the what these people wrote that is it is scripture. Yep. We don't think they fell in a trance and like their hand was moving and they don't know. Like they have their own voice and their own style, even. Um that's how God operates. He uses us as we are, but we do believe it's more than just one person's opinions that this is divine revelation that we apply to life.
SPEAKER_00Extends from the people who wrote it, the people who saw it, the people who wrote it, the people who collected it, the people who compiled it, because now we we we land in a part where we go, like, this isn't in the Bible for good reasons. And this might even be a separate podcast.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, right. But sometimes there's a little bit of made-up controversy in the world today, and there's this idea that like when the councils of Christians first got together to decide what was scripture and what wasn't, that there were like massive amounts of debate about that. There was some. Like the book of James is an interesting example. Um it it was one of the more controversial at the time. Is should it be, should it not be? But it wasn't like you had these warring factions of like, I want this one in, well, I'll give you this one if you give me that one. The early in the history of the church, there was pretty much I mean, it it was like people agreed. Yeah, and like scripture, they didn't decide it was scripture, it was like it was evident that it was scripture.
SPEAKER_00This has been used as scripture correctly. Correct.
SPEAKER_01And there so it wasn't like sometimes nowadays people like to treat it like, oh yeah, well, these guys got together and they decided what was scripture. Well, no, by that time, like the scripture had made itself evident and they were so anyway, that's a different conversation.
SPEAKER_00That's a Bible project is doing a conversation about that right now. Are they really?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Man, I'm so I am so behind on Bible project. I need to make that part of my regular.
SPEAKER_00I just saw it and listened to it.
SPEAKER_01I got out of listening to that one because they changed their format and I didn't like it at first. And I probably just need to get over it and I think they're done with that format. Okay, good. They went back to two guys talking. Yes. Yeah, because they was trying, I was like, ah.
SPEAKER_00It was more produced.
SPEAKER_01It f it was, and it felt like something I needed to watch.
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_01Because my brain wasn't jumping with, like, oh, they're in a different location. Where anyway, I'll get back into it. Um, yeah, but specifically for this conversation, you're like you said, they wrote it in in these ancient languages to us, but modern languages at the time, they wrote it in their everyday language. Um, we have three languages in the Bible. We have uh predominantly Hebrew and Greek, and there are certain parts of the Old Testament that are in Aramaic, which was a you know major spoken language of the day. Hebrew neighbor conquered. Hebrew neighbor, and they conquered Israel and their language won. Yeah, so that's how it works. Uh but those are the three languages, mainly Hebrew and Greek, Greek New Testament, Hebrew Old Testament, with a little Aramaic as well. And then we have all these translations now that exist in our language, and so sometimes it's uh it's hard to make sense of it. I have a few, it's like I've maybe like a tool belt, you know. Like there's a few that I go to. There's my normal one. Then there's also a few that I'll go to for some other things here and there, and I just thought it'd be easier to do it as a podcast.
SPEAKER_00Do you read what do you read as your like study Bible if you're just sitting there reading and I read the New Living Translation, but I also will frequently reference New American Standard Version.
SPEAKER_01Well, and even you say that I have a a number of uh Bible commentators that I read as I study, and most of them are older, like most of them aren't alive anymore. But so the New Living Translation wasn't around when they wrote, and so they use a lot of um I guess ESV or like the equivalent of ESV at the time, because even all these translations get updated. Right. You know? And so um, yeah, so it's a variety of ones. If I'm opening my Bible and reading, I'll tend to read the New Living. And that's partially because I teach from that. So it's it's uh for me at least, some people might be wired differently. It would be hard for me to always read a different translation than I'm gonna teach from because so much of what I'm reading works its way into how I'm teaching.
SPEAKER_00So why did you use the specific moment? What was the verse?
SPEAKER_01So the verse, okay. Well, I was talking about justification, is that what it was? So I was talking about forgiveness and how the word in our language and that's the whole point. When I say these translations have been updated, um, it's not that they're messing with it to put in biases, it's the language changes, right? Like language updates.
SPEAKER_00And as a youth pastor, it's like, or if you have parent, if you're a parent of teenagers, you know that. Like you have to get them to translate what they're talking about. Correct. And they're sitting in your home all the time. So it's like, how can they be speaking so differently? And you need that clarified.
SPEAKER_01A silly example of that would be when I was a kid growing up. I mean, I was in the 80s, the teenage ninja turtles, it was like surfer language, and they'd say like gnarly, and gnarly literally means like bad. Yeah. It's gnarly, it's all gnarled up. But gnarly all of a sudden was like, that's awesome. Yeah. That's gnarly. And that's a silly example, right? But you, yeah, I mean, with Gen Alpha, no cap. Uh no, that is not that's like millennial.
SPEAKER_00That's I okay. Um Aura. Aura, yeah. Um raise your ya-ya-ya. Okay. Fam. Like fam is Fam twin. Twin. Well, that's like two years ago, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Twin is like bro. The new version of bro is twin.
SPEAKER_01Gotcha. And so And bruh means like why are you doing that? Yeah. Like, yeah, I've picked up on that. Yeah, so language changes. And um and they don't the the Bible translations we have don't put bruh in there. It's not like and Jesus looked at Peter and said, bruh. Like that's not doing that. Um But there but there are certain things that change so definitively over time, and words shift that our understood what it means to us is not what it would have meant to them. So for example, in the and I'll go to what I was doing on Sunday, in the King James Version, uh Philippians 1.27 will say, and I'm not I don't have this memorized in all the translations. I look this up in preparation for that. I just want to be clear. Sometimes it's easy to like front, like you've got, I know, I'm a walking lexicon. But um it says, let your conversation be holy, okay? Well um and it says specifically your conversation. Like let it be let it show people that you're truly a believer. Okay. Well uh in our day and age, conversation means one thing, like what you say. But actually at the time that that the King James was written, conversation that word didn't mean just that, it meant your conduct.
SPEAKER_00Like you mean when you meet, how you act.
SPEAKER_01But we've gotten to a point where his language has has changed. We no no one in our day would read the word conversation and think anything more than what you say. Right. And it and it includes what you say, but so now like uh and this isn't just the new living translation, uh, probably the new American standard or a bunch of them, we'll just say your conduct.
SPEAKER_00And they didn't change it. No, it's it's trying to let the translation be a tool that you don't have to have an intermediate intermediary step of going like, well, I need to know so much to get from let's say King James, King James to understanding what it's actually talking about. It's just saying, like, actually let's bridge that gap and say, here's for clarity, what this means. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And so you asked mine, I I have uh NLT is my main. What's your main that you read from? ESV.
SPEAKER_00I think I have the most things memorized in ESV, and that's really why I use it that way.
SPEAKER_01ESV's a really solid translation, it's been around for a long time. And then um I'll use NASB, New American Standard Bible, as my clarifier. And it's funny, some people do the opposite. They would do more okay, so let's back up. There are a few different types of translations in terms of what they value. There's word for word, there's thought for thought, and thought for thought is what the new living would be. It's where meaning is going to is they're gonna value meaning over just the word. And so there's a willingness to look at what that would have meant.
SPEAKER_00Or yeah, and NLT kind of has the tendency to like it it would be more permissible to use idioms that we understand. So like I don't know if this is an actually an actual example, but like if I said there's a truckload of baseballs over there. Well, that wouldn't be in the New Living. No, I know it would say truckload. I know it wouldn't say truckload. But I'm saying like I've encountered moments in the New Living where it's like that's more of a modern idiom. It still makes sense in the context that it's actually using, but it's communicating the thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'd love to know the example of that at some point. Um it wouldn't be as modern as well. They wouldn't put they wouldn't put something in that like no one so they wouldn't put something in that no one back then would have had a concept of, right? Right? Like what a truck is. Um yeah, but it's a thought for thought. And so there's going to be an emphasis on I mean a really simple example of that. And and the New Living is not the only translation that does it, but as I was studying in Philippians, um early in Philippians, Paul says that the entire if you're reading in the New Living Translation, he'll say the whole palace guard has been encouraged or has gotten to hear the gospel basically because of his imprisonment. Now, there'll be a a foot, you know, a little annotation there. And and the new the New Living Translation will will have a ton of those. And if you click on that, if you're on a screen or if you look that up, you know, somewhere else, it'll say the the actual Greek word there is just the word praetorium. And praetorium is a word that technically just means palace. Okay. But Paul wasn't imprisoned in a palace. He wasn't that wasn't his situation. That word praetorium had come in their day and age, while it meant palace, it had become synonymous with the palace guard. So the praetoriate was the Roman palace guard, and they ended up becoming like the kingmakers of their big deal. But even in Paul's time, that that phrase, that word meant it meant the word was palace, and you could accurately say that Paul said the whole palace has been, but then your mind might go, well, Paul's in a palace and the the the king, the whatever, the you know, the ruler of that area. No. Um, he's he's saying he's talking about the the guards that are in charge. So praetorium. So it the New Living will say the palace guard. Right. And then it'll it'll let you know, hey, this is Yeah, footnotes are how you survive in any translation.
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_01And then they'll let you know, hey, this is this was this, this is why we changed it to that.
SPEAKER_00But a footnote that occurs in a word-for-word translation is gonna get you much more into like the history of like manuscripts and stuff where it's like in the NASB, if you encounter a footnote, it's gonna be like there are three manuscripts that include this word and two that do not include this word. Correct. In the NLT, it's just clarifying the meaning. It's much more about the And it'll include that stuff too.
SPEAKER_01You'll still have if there are verses that weren't in the original, it'll still say that. But yeah, actually, I mean, I think the NSB has like every fifth word has a footnote basically in that one. You're like, whoa. And so, yeah, so on Sunday, the example was I was talking about forgiveness. And there is um, you know, there's a verse. I I used a verse from I should have pulled this up ahead of time, um, where I I was like, I want to talk about justification. And justification means a little something, it's it means something a little deeper than just forgiveness in the way we think about forgiveness. But a lot of even like the New Living Translation will often translate justification as forgiveness, right? Because it's trying to, it's not a word we use all the time.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01So the New Living Translation will value that. They will say, that translation will say, Well, that's a word no one really uses. So we'll find an equivalent word there, and it makes it easier to understand. But occasionally you go, Well, but I I I don't want I want that.
SPEAKER_00I'm trying to develop in the minds of the listeners the understanding of this specific concept.
SPEAKER_01Very specific concept that you need that for. And so I don't think there's one I don't think you should live by one translation.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_01Um that's where I show that picture of the cart.
SPEAKER_00It's like use what works. And a lot of times uh what actually works the best is switching up the translation because you've been so in the same word 100%. And so hearing it from a slightly different perspective and slightly different language, it kind of wake wakes it up and brings it to life in a cool way.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. And so, like I said, you got kind of three main categories. You've got word for word, new American standard is gonna be in that camp. You've got thought for thought, that's gonna be New Living Translation, be a major one there, where they're gonna value meaning. And by the way, like the New Living, it was a huge team of scholars, put it. It wasn't like some dude in a room. And it was a huge team of biblical scholars and also a huge team of English linguistic specialists who and there was this poll, we're not letting the linguistic people, we're not letting it's like we're coming together, how do we say this? And that's what it just makes it when I'm speaking to a thousand people from all different backgrounds.
SPEAKER_00It's very normal modern language, yes.
SPEAKER_01NLT is it's not trendy language, no, it's not trying to be fresh, but it's easily understood and the meaning comes across really well.
SPEAKER_00And then you have paraphrases, which is like more like art project. I don't know how to like describe this is some dude.
SPEAKER_01Well, and like the most famous paraphrase version of the Bible that we have now, it used to be a book, a Bible called the Living Bible, um, but then that that New Living Bible actually came as like what's a what would a scholarly version of this be? New Living Translation. New Living Translation, scholarly version of the Living Bible, the message version.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the message will say truckload. It might, yeah.
SPEAKER_01No, the message has a verse about like casseroles being being like and the funny thing about it is it is a paraphrase, and Eugene Peterson who wrote it. He's a smart dude. Oh, incredible, he's written some incredible books, and so it's not like some random guy with a bad agenda. There are some I mean, there's some pretty modern paraphrase versions that are just a person with an agenda who's like, I don't like that the Bible says this, so I'm just gonna translate it this way. And so the main thing I would tell anyone is from my perspective, and this certain people may see think I'm too loose with this, but um if it's a if it's a modern scholarly translation, scholarly meaning teams of experts using original manuscripts to put this together, like it's gonna have value. And what I would tell anyone is you you want to have a couple of translations on hand. Like for you it's ESV, and then what else do you think?
SPEAKER_00NLT. Uh I look at the NIV.
SPEAKER_01I don't really use it much, but there's so much like the NIV is one that uh I probably grew up with that as the main translation that was used in church when I was growing up. Yeah. So I learned a lot of stuff in the NIV.
SPEAKER_00And uh also my app that I use, I was wondering because I was like, why do I never use the NASB? It's because I use blue blue letter Bible. And so if there's ever a moment where I'm like trying to do what you're doing, where it's like, what's the word there? Let me clarify what that I just click on the verse and it gives me the Greek, and then I just click on the Greek word like strong's concordance or whatever.
SPEAKER_01You can do it yeah, man. There was a stuff.
SPEAKER_00Do you remember the Connect Bible app? It's the same Blue Letter Bible is the Connect Bible app.
SPEAKER_01I know, but I feel like the Connect Bible app was like, I liked it better. It was simpler, but whatever. Okay, it's a different app, different thing. Yeah, and so again, like another example, maybe a classic one would be um the Lord's Prayer, right? The King James version that most people who grew up in church a long time ago would have learned that is hallowed be your name. Well, no one says hallowed anymore. But what that means is May your name be holy.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01So the New Living Translation says, Our Father in Heaven, may your name be Heavenly Father. Well, there you go. Heavenly Father, not our Father in Heaven. I mix them in my brain sometimes because but may your name be kept holy. Means the same thing. The average person hears that and goes, I can put that together. Hallowed, what is my kids wouldn't be like, what does hallowed mean? Um but yeah, so I have a couple that I go to. I think they're good. And I say scholarly because um, like one of the things that bothers me, but I guess it's okay, it's just different philosophies Bible Gateway. I use that website a lot. Don't know if you ever use that website.
SPEAKER_00I use the website on browser, yes. And I are you gonna say, what do you go finish?
SPEAKER_01Well, they just include like every translation available, and they're all given sort of equality. Yes, it seems like they're all the same. Yes. So you can scroll and be like, I want to see this in the mirror bible is one that's I don't know if it's on there. I don't know if it's on there. But it's not a good one. Yeah, passion translation. Passion translation is not a good one. Is it but I think it's on there. You can be like, I want to read this in the passion translation, which is not a scholar, it's it's not.
SPEAKER_00And so I wish they would be like to be to be aware, I think that's the thing is like a lot of people are gifted Bibles just because it's like whatever's the new thing that's out. Um I do think that even with the scholarly um translations, to be aware of the controversies that exist in those equips you just to have like knowledge on, oh, I'm gonna have that. Like people will say, you know, NIV or NLT have removed verses from the Bible, which is just not true.
SPEAKER_01No, they're saying it, what they're what they don't know they're saying is they've removed verses that are in the King James version of the Bible. But those verses aren't in the original manuscripts. Right. So the actual controversy is that the King James included those. Right. But the King James only included those because the King James didn't have access to the same manuscripts we had. They translated the Latin Vulgate. Yep, Latin to English. It's an interesting thing to think about. Like even verses didn't exist until the 1500s. No one had put verses with it. And so basically, pretty early Latin became the official language of the world, essentially, the Roman Empire. And so they it got the the scriptures were translated from Greek to Latin. And then for like a thousand years, no one really everyone was like, okay, this is what we got. And it took like a thousand years for someone to be like, hey, have we gone back to the Greek and double checked? Double checked and all these Greek manuscripts. And so you had some guys like Erasmus is a really well-known name, and he was doing um, he was actually one of the first guys publishing Greek versions of the Bible back when okay. But then the King James based their translation primarily on the Latin Vulgate, which had some some some things in it that weren't probably maybe shouldn't have been in there, at least should have been noted, this is not in there. Um yeah, but if you grew up in a King James only, like that's probably the you know, yeah. And the only translation is the King James translation, then it's you you think these people messed with the translation, when in reality, the access the amount of scholarly access we have to original manuscript copies today dwarfs what they had when they did the King James Bible.
SPEAKER_00So And that's where having some awareness of what that controversy is equips you to have like, oh, when you encounter you know, verse 15, like you you see this verse 15, and then it skips verse 16 and goes to verse 17. Just to know how to use a footnote and go, let me read the footnote to clarify why there's no verse 16.
SPEAKER_01And it'll say, hey, some some maybe include this, but yeah, and that is that is actually one of the beautiful things about the the Bible that we have now is it's so honest. It's it's there's no it's it's a it's a it's a difficult thing to take ancient documents and preserve them, which have has happened in an a an amazing way, and actually have even the ability for there to be debate amongst it. You actually don't see that in a lot of other faiths, where there's not a hey, I think that our translation might be in need of like you get you're ousted for that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and then NIV, I think the biggest other controversy that I can think of is the gender-neutral they got added in 2011. And so did it really to talk about to talk about general groups instead of he or she, where it uh where it's like if it's talking about mankind, it would use the term they rather than he. So or man in general, like it would use a gender-neutral they, which I think is just a cultural.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a cultural. That was long before there was like a gender. I know, but that was just more cultural at the time. But gendered language is a really big part of those ancient languages.
SPEAKER_00But that's what I'm saying. I think they were aware of that and preserved the gendered language when it was it's like how Bible projects will sometimes use y'all when it says you. It's like it's a helpful. The thous, the the plural you, like you as a group versus you as an individual.
SPEAKER_01Language is just one word. Yep. And when you're reading, you can miss that. You can look at everything personally. But in the King James, because of their language, thy, the, thou, like those those indicated formality sometimes, but also indicated collective you. And so I wish we had a y'all translation of the Bible.
SPEAKER_00It wouldn't sound so Southern, but it it would. So it'd be it would be tough. But or you all. Just you guys.
SPEAKER_01You guys need to remember. But there would be all a lot of that. Because it's almost every you in the New Testament is plural. Right. So it's not.
SPEAKER_00But that changes how you read that changes how you engage with scripture. Not that the Lord can't use by the power of the Holy Spirit a basically a conversational tone in the scriptures as you're reading it, you know, prayerfully. But when you know Paul is commanding you to do something, you y'all Corinthians would read very different than you, Madison. Yes.
SPEAKER_01When again devotionally, so I would say that all I wanted to say on Sunday was this, basically. But yeah, I I use a variety of translations. New Living is what we live with here at his hands because we feel like A, I feel like, um it is a it is a scholarly uh interpretation. It's not a paraphrase. A ton of work went into it. It was really good work. It's not perfect. The scriptures are, right? It no translation in and of itself is perfect. So I use, if you look at my um we actually have a little thing on our mobile app, all verses are new living translation unless otherwise noted. Right. It's at the top of every and it's I would say every week, at least every two weeks, there's going to be one or two verses that I opt for a different translation in because I feel like, oh, this one isn't quite while it's very conversational, it may skip over something I really want us to dive into.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that's it, that's a style thing. It's a style thing. It's not it's not even this huge conviction. Yeah. Because like I taught on the Sermon on the Mount, and part of that was me reading the entirety of the Sermon on the Mount. And I just asked you, I was like, hey, I'm used to it in ESV. Yeah, I was like, Me reading it. ESV is a great translation. Would be really like I'd be stumbling over the words a lot more for that long of a reading.
SPEAKER_01No, and I I would say for me, if someone's like, if I'm drawing a circle of like, what do you recommend? I would say I would recommend ESV, NIV, I think is fine, um, NLT, NASB, the New American Standard, is harder to read because it is so it is trying so hard to be word for word and to structure it the way that it's more written. So it's gonna read like it's just gonna read more formal. You're gonna be like uh, I don't know, if you're watching a a movie that they're trying really hard to talk like the way people talked in the 1800s. Yeah, yeah. You're like, you're having to like focus. You gotta do that a little bit. But there's value in that. And so I use a lot of an ESB in cross-referencing and reading. Um that's pretty normal for me. And so I think those are they're all those are all really great. And I actually do think some of the paraphrase, like specifically the message, there's some interesting things in the message, but I would read it more like a uh I wouldn't that wouldn't be your personal study Bible or your daily reader. No, no, but I think Eugene Peterson was an interesting guy. I think so. If someone said, hey, then the message that says that, I'd be like, oh, that's an interesting thought. Yeah. And then like like compare that.
SPEAKER_00I think the the only place I would recommend the message is if someone's coming out of like hardcore religious Yeah, you know, like a religious culture and they've only had a very hardcore, you know, religious upbringing. I think the message would bring a lot of life and interest into it's like a pathway into Yeah, it might spark some thoughts. Yeah, like go Okay, like let me reinvest and you know, get And I love what you said earlier.
SPEAKER_01I agree with that, and the same kind of connected to what you just said. If you spent years reading one translation of the Bible, like reading it in a different way.
SPEAKER_00The swap, no matter what it is, is like, oh wow, like you'll see things you didn't see before. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01No, because you'll just won't go into autopilot. So yeah. So that's kind of how we do it. And uh hope that helps. We should we do a his hands translation of the Bible? And definitely I will say I did dog on the passion translation of the Bible, and I want to double down on that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, can we well let's rewind the red flag? So the message to me is always a red flag if I see people like teaching from it a lot. I just go like that was a big thing.
SPEAKER_01That was a big thing. We taught from it sometimes way back in the day, in the early to like early like mid-2000s to 2010. It was a little bit, it was trendy first and foremost. It was newer. And to what you said, you had a lot of people coming out of church environments. You're trying to a lot of church people coming into church that had never been in church or lapsed, and it was like, let's use it in a language that yeah, but I I don't teach from that.
SPEAKER_00And so there are red flag Bibles.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the passion one's weird. I haven't now, again, I'm not an expert on it, but essentially I have seen some videos of like Christian celebrities, you know, whatever that is, being like, I just read this verse in the it's new translation and I love it.
SPEAKER_00Verse fluencers.
SPEAKER_01Verse fluencers. But it's like I love it. And I no, no, these people are actually like Christian music artists. Like not Christian celebrities. I mean, like they're Christian music artists, and they'll be like, but the I just love the way it says this. And it's like, well, that's not the standard. Yeah. Like I like that's uh I'm not saying it's it could be interesting and it could be worth thinking about, but um, I have read some stuff on that that's pretty like that stuff is there's an agenda, it feels very much like there is a yeah, and then Mirror Bible is the opposite of the all thing.
SPEAKER_00It's like takes you and makes you the main character. It's like centers how you relate to every verse sort of thing.
SPEAKER_01And so it's just yeah, and again, I think it's just in this day and age when when most people don't really know the backstory to all that stuff in the history, it can be very easy for someone to look at and go, oh, this is just another. So you know, do your research on that. But those I think uh NLT, NIV, NASB, ESV, if you if you just had those four, you're like, You're set. You're set, you're good.